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title: "Let’s Talk: Sanity in a Pandemic"
canonical: "https://wordfirst.org/podcasts/lets-talk/lets-talk-sanity-in-a-pandemic/"
pubDate: "2020-10-23T00:03:46.000Z"
updatedDate: "2020-10-22T21:45:58.000Z"
description: "In a Let’s Talk bonus episode, Melissa Kruger, Jasmine Holmes, and Jackie Hill Perry discuss what life has been like during the pandemic."
categories: ["Let's Talk"]
---

In this bonus episode of [Let’s Talk](https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/podcasts/lets-talk-podcast/), Jasmine Holmes, Jackie Hill Perry, and Melissa Kruger update each other on life over the past eight months of lockdowns, schooling disruptions, online church, and family life in close quarters. They talk about the difficulties of lockdown as well as the unexpected blessings.

Jackie notes that the pandemic has been like a light that exposes both good and bad. One thing it has exposed is our inability to make and keep plans in our own power, something addressed in James 4:13–16. The lack of control we feel in a pandemic can also create greater dependence on God. Jackie says, “I think that’s a blessing, honestly, to have to need God in a way that I’ve always needed him, but to actually recognize it.”

We plan to be back with Season 2 of Let’s Talk in early 2021. [Subscribe today](https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/podcasts/lets-talk-podcast/) to receive new episodes when they are released!

**Books mentioned in this episode:**

- [*Nannie Helen Burroughs: A Documentary Portrait of an Early Civil Rights Pioneer, 1900–1959*](https://www.amazon.com/Nannie-Helen-Burroughs-Documentary-Intellectual/dp/0268105537/?tag=thegospcoal-20)
- [*Delighting in the Trinity*](https://www.amazon.com/Delighting-Trinity-Introduction-Christian-Faith/dp/0830839836/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by Michael Reeves
- [*Gay Girl: Good God*](https://www.amazon.com/Gay-Girl-Good-God-Always/dp/1462751229/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by Jackie Hill Perry
- [*Mother to Son*](https://www.amazon.com/Mother-Son-Letters-Black-Identity/dp/0830832769/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by Jasmine Holmes
- [*Keeping the Heart*](https://www.amazon.com/Keeping-Heart-Puritan-Writings-Flavel/dp/1573580775/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by John Flavel
- [*The Warmth of Other Sons*](https://www.amazon.com/Warmth-Other-Suns-Americas-Migration/dp/0679763880/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by Isabel Wilkerson
- [The Harry Potter series](https://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Paperback-Box-Books/dp/0545162076/?tag=thegospcoal-20) by J. K. Rowling

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