A Brief Conversation about Ephesians with Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger | Word First

[Music] okay today is a very interesting Day Saints and a because usually next to me would be the person that I am one flesh with uh person Perry but he ain't here it ain't because he went to Glory it's because Jasmine Holmes is next to me hi and Melissa Krueger is across from me and we all used to be on this podcast called we need to talk through TGC network but now on we need to talk and with the berries it's just a strange little thing hi y'all how you doing doing good you're blessed good highly favorite we we we have a project together coming out called what's it called can somebody put it up anybody Ephesians a study of faith and practice written by I'mma go backwards Melissa Krueger Jasmine Holmes and Jackie Hill Perry and it's a bible study on the book that is very difficult very complicated but very necessary and profitable and use yep adopted by the father United in Christ empowered by the spirit oh that's what the back say praise that's good stuff praise to God when we forget we can always just read what we wrote yes also our podcast was called let's let's talk it wasn't we need to talk that's the tour that's the tour that pron was on I'm sorry that's all right it's the same thing you know we need to talk let's talk I'm a little far removed it been a minute it's all right yeah that was a good time a good season it was fun we was very pregnant multiple times know we're actually together and no one is pregnant literally was having like War flashbacks on the way here like the last few times we' done it when one or both of us was pregnant I mean how old are your youngest now two two so it's been two years MH That's crazy cuz you know she was throwing up in between uhuh she'd be like oh hold on one when it threw up came back and preached the gospel I said this woman is suffering for Christ y'all don't understand she is out here with your nice eyebrows it happened all right so we wrote this Bible study together on Ephesians I think the project was initially yours why Ephesians out of all 66 books goodness you're asking me to remember years ago I know well I think LifeWay came to us about or came to me about it and I love the book of Ephesians one because I like order and it structure Ed so nicely you know the first half of the book is all of these is it imperative or indicative you the teach y teachers it's the you you you're the English person indicative it's the indicatives that lead us to the imperatives that's right it's imperative you do this so the first half are all these indicatives of what God has done for us in Christ and just it's like all the ways God's blessed us and then the whole second half is how we live in light of that what's imperative that we do thank you Jasmine for being here can you do the little bunny thing I know the bear the bear the bear in The Box the beer in the box so I was an Elish teacher for a long time um which by the way like I've had so many people at my new job they walk up to me and they're like oh are you in are you in college around here are you in high school around here and I'm like oh my God no C I was actually in education for 10 years um but I was an English teacher and uh the way that we taught prepositions was with a with a box it something that my teacher did to did with me that I did with my students but it was a little bare and it was a little box and the way that you identify a preposition is any position that bear can be in with the box is a preposition so like in the Box around the Box through the box talking to the box like all those are prepositions and it came up a lot in our study of Ephesians because it is basically a book that tells us how we are oriented to God through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit there's a lot of prepositions in Ephesians that's right yeah see that's the stuff that's the stuff I want to learn cuz I think I'll be a better teacher a better Bible teacher cuz prepositions and actors I know what a noun is I know what a verb is I know what a period is I know what an exclamation mark is semicolon not so not sure which time when's the dash and there are three dashes but we but I love a dash anybody and anybody that's ever edited me is like girl that's it's too much too many so dramatic it's just like yeah and now I'll say it yeah we we separated our teaching portions which I think you talking about the orderly nature of Ephesians was helpful because it's six sessions and so I think you you had chapter one through two you had chapter three and four I had chapters five and six would you say that you enjoyed working through your particular chapters cuz I felt like our chapters fit even our approach to Bible study you know yeah I loved working through mine I mean it's just all the like goodness blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in Christ oh I should got that better I should have got that better chapter one ver blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the Heavenly place and that he goes on for a really long sentence it's the longest sentence of Paul in the scriptures it's like this one long runon sentence about everything God's done for us in Christ by the spirit and so it's just really beautiful to get into all those words and so I did love I did love that section and just digging in because I think so often we spend our life on the here's what you're supposed to do here's how you're supposed to be here's what you walk in a manner worthy of the Gospel which is all that's great but sometimes we don't spend enough time just sitting and remember all of that's an outflow of what's been done and for by God for you and so you're just living in light of that and that's what it means when God's done that you had the bridge I did I really enjoyed it I liked having the connective part um I liked being able to talk about the indicatives and the imperatives so to pick up in three yep you just roll those words off you used it so now now I now I have it pocket um yeah I I liked having the transition it really fit as Jackie said like the way that I approach Bible study that very I I felt like I was just explaining a lot of very basic things in my section which I really enjoyed um yeah I feel like you and Jackie had harder jobs than I had especially with cuz Jackie had the the slavery Jackie I'll give you that I had good stuff you had Jackie had the hard stuff because the beginning of chapter 5 is all fine therefore be imitators of God as beloved children and walk in love cool we can do that and then we get down wives submit to your own husbands that's it to the Lord then we over here talking about some slave submited it's like oh Lord now I got to explain SL slavery and New Testament it was all Jackie so if you don't like what we said it was all Jackie all I just every last no I will say I'mma put the ball in your court cuz that should have been your chapter actually Jasmine's a historian okay so if if anybody should have been dealing with slavery in Ephesus it should have been you yeah no and here's why here's why because I am a historian of antibellum reconstruction America which is very different from household colds and slavery in the New Testament which is really important this pillow is dirty oh just we're here now explain the difference not you put me on a spot Lord I mean we here we are with the pars when we think about slavery as Americans in general when we approach the Bible As Americans we approach it in a very self- centered fashion we think about it in terms that we can understand we think about it as though it was written in English as though was written in the 21st century and as though it was written um about the American context and it wasn't so I I will say less about what slavery was in the New Testament context than I will say that it wasn't race-based Perpetual Catt slavery that we know of today that is not to say that it wasn't a difficult institution that is not to say that it wasn't an inherently cruel institution that is not to say that it was um all flowers and roses and it was amazing but they're just two fundamentally different things even though they both fall under the umbrella of slavery and so I think often times when um I would describe myself as a historian of slavery um but that's very different than from the slavery that we're talking about in the Bible and a lot of it is cuz we don't know a lot about the slavery that took place in Rome yes um a lot of it is you know when I when I talk about slavery in American history I have a lot of primary sources to look back on I have I have eyewitness accounts I have accounts from the enslaved and they're enslavers I have I have legislative accounts I have all you know I have I have all kinds of cases and all kinds of things to look at when it comes to this slavery that takes place in the New Testament we don't have as much information I think I think St are still piecing it together like written accounts from someone who was a slave in the first century I mean I don't I mean I'm sure there are yeah that's yeah we got to do the work and in discovering it and making sense of it yeah um have you like even cuz what school do you go to oh what college I to Jackson State have you you probably haven't but if you have have you ever had any conversations with people that don't rock with the Bible because of what's in Ephesians I haven't had any conversations with people who don't rock with the Bible because of what it says about slavery in Ephesians but I have had conversations with people who don't like the Bible because of what it says about slavery in Leviticus or what it says about women in the Old Testament or what it say yeah so it's less Ephesians is probably the least controversial place that slavery comes up in the Bible which is really interesting because it felt very controversial when we were talking 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there are some passages in the Bible that make us feel a way right like when I read about lot giving his daughters to these nasty people I feel a way about it when I read about Abram giving like making somebody his concubine and making them make her pregnant without her consent I feel way right and I don't I feel like sometimes we make it as if we're supposed to read the Bible like robots and not feel our feelings but like what if that's actually a part of our interpretive process yeah does that make sense yeah absolutely I know people are like yeah but explain explain these texts get the Bible study get the Bible study cuz you know Jackie did a great job and again if you don't like it those were Jackie's chapters so hey I gave you res I gave you Prim what you call primary sources I gave I gave resources and I think I I I wanted to do due diligence with having about to dve having resources in my study of these passages that weren't from one stream or one tradition right and so let me consider the The Scholar scholarly work of egalitarians and complementarians let me consider the scholarship of people who are not primarily reformed and European right like because the way their worldview will affect the way they interpret these texts and so I hope people learn from that well I think too it highlights people pull one verse out and then they make a whole system out of it yeah or they justify maybe a system out of it whatever it might be like like Ephesians 5 yes yeah like I mean you know so a husband could say I have every right to beat my wife because she wasn't obedient to me crazy one that's not what the text says Yeah by any means that's not what he's telling husbands do he's never telling husbands make your wife submit you know that's that's not what the text says but you you see how if it's pulled out if you forget one through three we're never going to interpret four through six that's correctly that's good you know and so and it's so fascinating too because when you read those passages even about children and their parents and men and women and all of these things and then he gets to the very end and he says your your struggle is not with flesh and blood you know it's actually this spiritual power that's going on so it's like it's starts in the Heavenly Realms and it ends in the Heavenly Realms and so we have to read the whole thing or we're going to misinterpret those little parts and take them out of context and use them wrongly yes and all that I I also think it it's interesting to note that it doesn't start with interpretation 99% of the time it starts with I want to do this thing and I need justification for it so then I'm going to find justification for it it's very rarely oh I was reading the Bible and I was trying to think of like huh I want I want a country let's call it America and let's make it a Christian Nation and let me look and see oh it says slays b your Masters well got to go to Africa like that's not what happen so I think I think a lot of times people blame the Bible for being used by people who are have already decided what they're going to do and then retroactively are like and also the Bible says this which it actually says the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil and that's normally and so they'll they'll use the Bible they'll take something that's good and use it for evil normally to achieve let's just say a lot of times monetary ends it worked right I mean this is the the bad news about a lot of things we we'll use something that's good to per perpetuate evil because we have an evil design behind it and that's that's what you see so it's like you have to actually read again not just even Ephesians but the whole storyline of scripture to even understand all of those Old Testament stories all of these messy lies are pointing us to our complete of Christ to come in and remedy the situation so they're not like we shouldn't be like lot but someone could try to make it like that oh lot did this so I get David had all these wives so why can't I have all these wives and you we have to we have to actually learn how to study scripture so one question for for you all as you were writing what are some of the tools you use to study the Bible well like how do you go about starting the process of working on a Bible study like what what do you do what helps you study like if yeah because we're not you don't have to be a Bible teacher to study the Bible on your own what about you Jasmine Holmes uh let's see what did I do I read Ephesians over and over again that was the first thing that I did I read I read it all through in one sitting and then I read one chapter every day and then I went back and I read one chapter every week then I went back and like I just really spent a lot of time in it a friend of mine and I which is kind of getting ahead of where we're going in this conversation but we read it together so then we kind of bounced off of each other like ideas you know this is what I got from it today this is what I understood from it today um not all of us are seminarians who are trained to study the Bible with the level of Excellence that Jackie has been trained to study the Bible That's get here to just kind of show people like hey the every man can do this too listen I ain't took one hermeneutics class yet I didn't learn from sitting on a good prees go ahead so yeah that's what I did and then of course you know I mean you look at commentaries and you um again I had a very I had a very easy job in the writing of this Bible study and so I feel like I had less of a less of a research need than say Jackie and then less of a um what's the word that I'm looking for study of Trinity Christ God Union with Christ yeah yes um I knew that that groundwork was something that you had already laid in your first two chapters so really I was like okay I I have a really simple job of I just want to understand exactly where we are and I want to make sure that I'm tying the Orthodoxy of the first three chapters to the orthopraxy of the second three chapters and so I saw myself as kind of like linking I did a lot of a lot of reading over and over again that's actually kind of hard I know cuz you would need to get a sense of all of it to know how to like do it will yeah it was nice cuz when I would read all of it and I'd be like o That's confusing or oh that's something that kind of made me hesitate a little bit I'd be like well it's not my problem yeah but you have I think one thing that I always appreciate about you jasine is you have years of growing up in a home where the Bible was taught and it's really been you know I can just see how it impacts your study what you think is easy someone else might not think that is easy so you just as easy so I do think it's just it always gives me a lot of Hope of like as we're raising these kids they really are picking up on things we think they're not picking up on anything some days but like the Bible stories that we teach them along the way are setting the foundation for them to be able to study the Bible just by reading it to them over and over and over again one day they're going to get to Ephesians and be like oh yeah well I know about that dividing wall and you know because I've studied the Old Testament and you have all that whereas somebody who's maybe new to the text would come in and be like what are they talking about what's this dividing wall of hostility what is it mean that Jews and Gentiles are now like what's they wouldn't get the significance of that but I I just think it's really beautiful how all those years of just having the Bible in your home yeah they really do impact our Bible reading in as adults that's actually very encouraging very disoriented cuz normally people are disappointed with how it turned out thank you well I love how you turned out thank you so with the parry's is is going on tour straight is don't know if you knew that already y I think we're doing 14 cities oh yeah you wanted me to say something we doing 14 cities and uh he's going to talk about apologetics and what you going to talk about I'm going to preach some some Bible and then we're going to have a live conversation with the Saints about something that you pick we're going to give y'all the opportunity to pick the conversation that we actually end up having and it's going it's going to be God glorifying it's uh going to be uplifting um to to to the body of Christ but we going to have fun I think so we going to have a lot of fun a lot also too a lot of y'all been trying to get the bapo merch and I'm bringing all the merch on tour like like all of it know and we're also coming on tour with our books with my new book all of Jackie 1900 books it's lot um and so man be on the lookout man all right so show notes www withth paris.com I I I think my Approach is similar I I read and listened to Ephesians a lot to just get a sense of the rhythm of the tone all the things I also eventually started to listen to a a series that aliser bag had on Ephesians which I'm I'm I'm slow to do or even advocate for um because I I think sometimes another person's thought process or framework or perspective can influence your ability to just come to a text subjectively um but his I I think I know enough now to not be so Bound by someone else's view if anything um he would say things I was like ah I don't think we should frame slaves obeying Masters like you know workers obeying bosses I don't necessarily think that that's fair to Ephesians right um so I read it listen to series and then I just did a lot of work finding scholarly scholarly academic resources that were outside of the typical camp that talks the most about Ephesians 5 and 6 um even when it comes to Ephesians 6 it's like no we need to dig in we need to learn from our charismatic and Pentecostal brothers and sisters when it comes to spiritual warfare right because the the way they will approach this passage I think gives Justice to the reality that there is a real devil and demons that hate us that's it so what about you I I printed it out I like to you print it out just totally clean yeah don't want anything around it and I do like and I printed it out in multiple versions cuz you know each version says you got a lot of ink you are wealthy I know you know how much ink cost I did I know but my God that's word is worth it hey right you ascribe I printed it out because I like I like to just have it clean and just read through it again and again and again and again um but I will say this it's funny you read through it all those times and I can say without a doubt when the three of us got together so this study is a little different than what LifeWay normally does so normally it's going to be a teaching time or whatever with us it's the three of us talking and um I was so glad when LifeWay agreed to that because it was one of the things I was hopeful for I think there's something that happens when brothers and sister ERS get together and just talk about the word together so I had studied on my own for weeks you just studied and studied and even read other people and all of that but I still remember things especially in chapters five and six that I took away that I learned from you to that I just had I thought about it differently because we studied it together in community and so one thing we've talked about a lot is the power um of the spirits really at work while we sit together that the word does the work as God's people meet and kind of feast on it together so has there been a time in your all's lives where you really experience that we're studying the Bible together with other people made it come alive for you in new ways I don't if you felt that experienced it all the time I think on a on a like a micro level even was just me and Preston you know like me reading something and sharing that with them and then him adding a perspective on it that I didn't think about or me and friends or me in a small group um I think that's harder now because I'm I'm in a church context that doesn't have that kind well I'm not a part of that kind of community yet but when I was in Chicago we were in a house Church you know so that was our life is open up opening up the Bible and talking about it to the point that I got rebuked a couple times and that trained me because we had a Bible study long story short and realized that I'm not safe if I'm rushing a teaching and so I had to I rushed so I just kind of did this is like study commentary cross okay and I taught during the Bible study and I taught some stuff that wasn't true but they checked me in front of everybody it was like well I don't think that's the and I ain't like it but it trained me to pause and do due diligence with the text before I ever open my mouth so even like doing like studying the scriptures and Community also trains you how to handle it correctly you know and I always appreciate that rebuke what's also good I I remember years of doing a Bible study with people and I learned what a bad question was because when you ask a question and it's like crickets in the room you're like well that was a stupid question to ask there's nothing better no better way to learn by failing I think okay I think it's not like a bad question but maybe not the best question well a yes or no answer in a small group okay I think that's a bad question if Jesus is the answer I'll be honest I think that's did Jesus raise from the dead yes yes you know rather than hey what are the implications that Jesus raised for the dead why does that matter in our life now now we can have a conversation right but you know when you ask yes or no I even think look I think observation questions in a Bible study when you're doing it on your own at home I think that's great I think in a small group you know to ask the observation question who did Jesus talk to who did you you're like the disciples okay you it's it's a little rather than let's go ahead and say okay so Jesus was talking to his disciples how did he talk to his disciples different than he talked to the Pharisees that's an interesting question it is you know and so but I asked a lot you're very good at that I asked a lot of the bad questions because I asked a lot of bad questions for a lot of years yeah now I feel like people like y'all who got that teaching spirit like in school teaching Spirit like I feel like teachers who teach in institutions y'all it's it's it's a practical approach that y'all have to stuff that when you then put that like into some bible stuff I I like it well we taught high school and middle school so you know they are going to look at you like you're crazy if you ask a question that they can't answer sometimes even if you ask a good question they're not going to be they look at you like you're crazy yeah they're not going to be nice question do you think there's a difference between I know that there is so let me rephrase the question what would be the difference between teaching the Bible to a group of teens versus teaching the Bible to a group of women in their 20s 30s 40s like what is the approach different if so how you see how I tried to leave it open that was good thank that was good was good um my is always different teaching adults versus teaching children or teenagers I do feel that with women often we can get very I want to be so careful mhm um sentimental not sentimental I I think that we can get very into how is this practically going to apply to my life so I'm trying to get in I'm trying to get the practical application and I'm trying to get out m and we're like how is this going to apply to me finding a husband or how is this going to apply to me being able to get married or how is it going to apply to me having children or how's it going to apply to me in my relationship with my husband like it's very getting into the trying to contextualize it into life immediately um and I think with when I'm with younger people there are a lot more interested in going off on all of the rabbit trails and like what does this mean and how come it's also before they've gotten to the age where as Christians I do think that we learn really bad habits sometimes and one of them is to shut down the questioning to just be like o don't like the way that made me feel so I'm going to bypass it and so teaching teenagers they haven't got that that bad skill down yet and so they're not bypassing the question that you're not supposed to ask um and I really enjoy that that's good yeah they're so curious yeah I like that like approaching it with curiosity I'll say this when it's younger teens like 12 or 13 I think there's some differences but as they get older the one thing even my daughter will tell me she's 17 now and she's like oh I don't like the questions in those teen Bible studies they always dumb it down for us so they really what what I would say they don't like they like what you're doing you're taking them like on a journey let's see what's the text really saying you're you're expecting more of them what they hate is when you dumb it down for them yeah you so in that sense like I think they just don't like it when it's you know I mean she hates it when it's pink and it's got big lettering and it's a girl's Bible study you know she wants it to be like make her think yeah and and so I think both should it shouldn't just be how is it going to impact How I Live it should be how do I think about God differently how's that going to you know how do I come to this how do I understand what the Bible's saying differently how do I understand the whole universe differently yeah you know that's that's a bigger question and I do think sometimes in our Bible studies we don't want to go there and go ahead and ask the hard question yeah and take the time and take the yeah um also I am I am women and so I I too can just be like h i I'm here but I'm my mind is all these other places so how does this relate to all the other places that my mind is uh and not necessarily let me put all the other places to the side and then approach just the word yes yes so you both are communicators mothers teachers Christians women drinkers of coffee and tea um and you also just are recently has your YC come day been released no September September imp parenting with Hope just like two weeks ago okay so tell tell us about the books what let us know you go first okay what they be about so parenting with hope is parenting with hope raising teens for Christ in a secular age um so it's kind of on the Journey of being the parent of a teenager what it is not is how to get your teens to do what you want that's not what it is um it's it's much more so it's not a book for like narcissistic parents yeah or to help people not be that yeah I feel like I kind of hit every Idol like I didn't like me as I wrote it at certain points because I really tried to attack our Idols as parents and so I was like oh yeah when you start talking about sports culture and parenting you know it's going to get and or or college and all these things that we kind of obsess about when kids get to the teen years um I really wanted to address what I was seeing in my own heart on those areas and what it can do to our kid because if I'm viewing my teenager as a curated version of myself that is just never going to go well for them it's not going to go well for a relationship um basically I'm trying to make them into I'm the God and I'm trying to make them into my image rather than saying who did God make you to be that's good and let's like let's I get to be part of that I get to walk through that with you rather than kind of trying to put you in my box that's the Mi box it's called enmeshment oh that therapy okay okay so we don't want to do that that instead we get to you know I just I loved I have loved panting teens I will say that um I have loved watching they that my three kids could not be more different and I am amazed you know at who how the Lord grows them in ways that we can't control I think I've come more into some of it is they're going to be who they're going to be yeah so I can't control what they do necessarily but maybe we have some impact on how they approach the world like the love we give them the kindness the the fruit of the spirit in our homes impacts how they will view the world so it's not about like what you know will will they do this job or that job or whatever so much but maybe um they will look at it a little differently because they were in this in incubator of love for 18 years and I think it changes how they go out into the world I hope it does Amen absolutely anyway what about you um my book is called Yonder Come Day and it is actually had I had an editor um bail on a proof reader bailed on reading it um recently because it is about American Shadow slavery and they were like I just wasn't expecting it to be this intense and I was like well I mean sorry um but it's also hopeful so it centers around this group of narratives um called the WPA narratives that were acquired in the 1930s um as part of the New Deal a bunch of um interviewers went to 17 different states and they interviewed 2500 forly enslaved people in these 17 different states and they got their life stories from them and some of them are really detailed and some of them are less detailed some of them you can tell the interviewer was really just like riffing and some of them you can tell that the interviewer was actually like listening to the interviewee and some you know it just it depends if the interviewer is a woman if it's a man if it's a black person or it's a white person um and so there's all of that kind of like push and pole in in the narratives and so my book kind of brings together a lot of the stories in the narratives um into a composite story of a main character who just experiences slavery from childhood enslavement to eventual emancipation to being an elderly person being interviewed for the wp n the that's clever I can't wait to read y so y'all are so I can't wait to read it accomplished like y'all out here like making disciples through history and through parenting and stuff I'm just so honored it's a blessing thank you guys and well I mean not you but the person who's drove me on the couch do you want to talk about him so Preston has a book yeah called how to tell the truth how the Lord how the Lord saved me to uh wi hearts and not arguments and you know Preston ever since I've known Preston that man has been an evangelist it's just that's just what he does that's what he what how he breathes but I think one of the things that sets his resource apart from a a lot of other apologetic resources is that it's not all intellectual or even around the subject of reasoning but being like how how can you be Christian as you engage non-Christian uh belief systems so I told my Uber driver about him all the way over here did you she was her nephew has just become a Christian we got talking because I was saying what we were doing this podcast and I was like what are you doing the podcast about I was like Ephesians and um she said yeah my nephew just became a Christian and basically he's trying to share with all of his friends and they're all rejecting him and she's like so I need the name of your podcast so he can listen and I actually said well he needs to listen to with the paries and he needs to hear from Preston that's funny because he's so good yeah I I just love watching I love watching you watch him cuz we we're so different yet uh similar cuz I I do I remember I came to the realization that I'm I do apologetic work too it just isn't his kind you know and so it felt like oh yeah the Lord put us both together so yeah you love him anyway bye y'all thank y'all for joining us for what's the what's we have to do Favorite Things oh I'm sorry go ahead cuz she made me feel she made she made blush she made the anxiety flare up a little bit okay last favorite thing since it's sort of a let's talk it's a hybrid episode um favorite thing you're looking forward to this summer Jackie's birthday June 21st obviously I'm turning 35 that feels like that feel like is that middle age um let's age 45 no what's middle AG no middle age is way older way older I'm just when I he it's like oh I'm F to be one people get the Little Neck fan you know when they in church cuz the hot flash that sounds really good though it's practical yeah I love that but I love that for them that's what I'm looking forward to 35 is my birthday yeah are you going to do anything fun I'm in between cuz I I I can sometimes live in a this is honesty live in a place of s self-exaltation or self-loathing and so I'm like ah nobody really cares so I don't know if I'm G do anything so I might we'll see we care thanks appreciate it about you I don't know I am looking forward to oh to being done with my classes first yeah I might take one over the summer because I don't have any self-control but I won't take three over the summer I want you to rest the summer three is crazy I rest at night when I go to bed no you don't uhhuh close my eyes and yeah yeah you close your eys that's my rest time summer is my least favorite season actually it's so hot so hot you like the fre well I feel like Christians we don't have freedom in any season like when you work in Ministry summer is still a little busy yeah yeah yeah it's still busy yeah but I am looking forward to my my daughter is getting married this Summer which is crazy and we love the guy she's marrying so that is really fun so it's going to be a real hot wedding but I'm looking forward to it you make you make sure you get you some good setting spray okay and some good primer so you don't start melting and one of those neck pans I'm G come with a neck pan it sounds good that's what you should have got me for bir I should have got you for your birthday also my birthday was two weeks ago was it oh I turned 34 on April 7th happy birthday Jasmine I'm so sorry I had no problem letting you know it's fine she over here like we care about your birthday meanwhile I didn't know you had one send you some truffle honey what how old did you I turned 34 34 what did you do um I had a party Philip threw me a birthday party he did he y didn't put this on Instagram that's why no my friends I had a few friends come over if it's not on Instagram I to picture the food cuz I cooked for my party of course I cook it wasn't cooking it was shuie that's not cooking but I did like a table spread F and it was really nice yeah I was so funny like the doorbell kept ringing and I was like a look at me having friends come on was nice well it was it was it was special to create this resource with you guys and to do what did we do three seasons yeah of let's talk and you know have all the laughs and the Haas but also the weight and the the depth of communicating truth um through the lens of Jesus so thanks for being on my couch and all the stuff not you being in metal again cut it out we love you too thanks appreciate it bye oh